• LinkOpensChest.wav
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    1796 months ago

    My “favorite” lecture from young people is the one in which they berate me for “stealing content” by not watching ads on YouTube.

    I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things

    • Beefy-Tootz
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      796 months ago

      I don’t understand why they think we care if we’re stealing content regardless. I pirate movies and TV shows, but they don’t whine about that, in fact, most will approve of it. Why draw the line at YouTubers?

      • @rtxn@lemmy.world
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        566 months ago

        They often say that we’re screwing the person who runs the channel. In reality, I’m willing to bet my left nutsack that they make a fuckton more from the occasional donations than from ads, once Google, MCNs, and the government take their share.

      • Tippon
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        286 months ago

        Because they think that they’ll be YouTube superstars one day, and we’re stopping them

    • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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      6 months ago

      YouTube has increased the amount of ads that used to be standard by about 1000%. You used to get about 22-26 minutes of actual content per 30 minutes of viewing. On YouTube it’s about 2 minutes of advertising per 0.5-3 minutes of viewing. The majority of the things I watch on YouTube are short 30 second videos to see specific things, but Google seems to think it’s okay to show me 2-3 minute long commercials before letting me see the 30 second blurb telling me the foot pounds per square inch I need to apply to my brake calipers before I can finish my brake change job. This is even more annoying now that Google doesn’t surface this type of information on regular websites, where I can just quickly read the spec.

      TLDR: fuck Google and fuck ads

    • @son_named_bort@lemmy.world
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      276 months ago

      It feels like YouTube has become the new Hollywood with production companies and YouTubers becoming celebrities and whatnot. Such a far cry from it’s beginnings as a place where people would upload random family videos that nobody watched.

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        156 months ago

        Literally the first video posted was one of the creators in a selfie video at the zoo. That’s the YouTube I want back. That’s what it was meant to be.

      • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet
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        86 months ago

        The family members watched them, which was good enough for the person uploading it. Not everything needs to be about money and exposure. Ugghh! K.k kill me.

    • @Pogbom@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I have an honest question and I feel like Lemmy is a good place to have a real discussion on this. To preface this, I use adblock too so I’m kinda calling myself a hypocrite with this question :P

      Why do we expect any free service not to have ads? If a paid service like Netflix introduced ads I’d be pissed, and same goes for cable TV these days. But why would something free like Youtube not have ads? How can we be bothered by ads on a service we’re getting for free?

      Someone help me reconcile this for my own well-being haha.

      • @DavLemmyHav@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        206 months ago

        Ads arent inherently the problem. The problem is that the user experience often gets ruined because, for example, on certain news sites every paragraph of text you read, you get a full page ad. Imo when its like this its fully acceptable to not let them have limited revenue from you.

      • @grue@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        Why do we expect any free service not to have ads?

        Youtube has the right to serve ads along with the content, but it does not have the right to dictate what I can or can’t do with the data once it hits my machine. It has no more right to hijack my property to force them upon me than it does to strap me to a chair and force my eyes open, A Clockwork Orange style.

        If Youtube doesn’t like that arrangement, its recourse is to serve a 403: forbidden instead of the video data.

        There’s also a deeper discussion to be had whether corporations have any sort of right to exist in their current form in the first place, but I’ll leave that for another time.

        • @CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world
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          116 months ago

          Is is like muting during a commercial break, or going out of the room to do something else. What happens in my home, is under my control. You want to stop me from doing that? Refuse to serve me content. I’m fine with that

          • @paintbucketholder@lemmy.world
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            126 months ago

            It’s like flipping over the ad pages in a magazine. It’s like taking the advertisement brochures out of a newspaper and throwing them into the trash. It’s like leaving the room during halftime break. It’s like taping a show without the commercial breaks. It’s like walking past a poster without reading it. It’s like getting your letters from the mailbox and throwing away the advertising mailers. It’s like going to the cinema and talking during the ads that are playing before the movie. It’s like walking down the sidewalk and ignoring the people trying to sell you merchandise. It’s like switching channels when commercials come on.

            But for some reason, people are trying to tell me that I’m ethically and morally in the wrong for blocking fucking YouTube ads.

      • LinkOpensChest.wav
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        86 months ago

        You’re asking someone who’d spent a good chunk of my life creating Skyrim mods for free and volunteering for services in my community with no recompense or desire for money how I expect people to contribute things they presumably enjoy without getting paid? To be clear, you’re asking me this from a server on a federated platform that is held together with community love and free-will donations?

        I know we’ve been conditioned by capitalism to reduce everything to its monetary worth, but I feel like we should know better here.

        • @limelight79@lemm.ee
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          86 months ago

          Fair point, but the instance I use doesn’t allow image uploads because of the disk space issue. Videos take way more space than that. And, of course, you can’t just slap in a single drive, you need RAID or something so when a drive fails, you don’t lose stuff.

          Add in bandwidth concerns, and it’s a legitimate question. Hosting a general video site can’t be cheap, and people generally won’t pay for it.

          If we did want a community run video hosting site ala Lemmy, how would that work? What would it cost the hosters?

          • @thegiddystitcher@lemm.ee
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            66 months ago

            That’s PeerTube. Idk what it’s costing the hosts exactly, but my server is apparently bringing in enough in donations to be viable.

          • LinkOpensChest.wav
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            16 months ago

            Idk I don’t really care that much about video content, so I’ll leave that up to someone else to parse. If someone provides an entirely free, ad-free way to share videos, then great. If not, then oh well.

      • Anony Moose
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        76 months ago

        To add on to what the others have said, there should always be competition between free and paid services. Free services should provide only what they are capable of with the limitations they operate under due to a donation model, while paid services can use all the advantages they can get with advertising, big budgets for hosting, etc. Free and open-source often still won under these conditions. Think Encarta against Wikipedia. If paid wins, that’s fine, people can still have a reasonably good alternative with the free option.

        The problem arises when a corporation builds on the back of a free resource, and then starts charging users once the network effects kick in. With YouTube, Google was able to leaverage 20 years worth of videos that people lovingly uploaded (although 10 of those years were in the post-ad plagued world) and then start forcing people to bend to their monetization rules. Most of those people didn’t upload to YouTube because they wanted to make money off their videos, they just wanted to share a funny video. If given the choice, they would have chosen free instead of ad-driven. We have no choice since all that content is now locked behind YouTube’s ad walls.

      • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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        6 months ago

        The ads themselves are not a problem. The problems are

        1. It can be security risk. Even Google has ads that redirect to malicious domain
        2. Ads that are getting in the way of accessing information. That includes popups, automatically playing videos etc. Hell, one of the major reason why I started using adblock was to block those annoying flash banners.
        3. The frequency is just way too much. This leave no money on table mentality makes me not give a shit.
    • Queen HawlSera
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      106 months ago

      Now it’s so commercialized that I’m not posting anything on YouTube anymore, simply because I know that I’m going to get so many emails about how my video of me building a Lego set or whatever, violated some new social taboo that was invented 5 minutes ago, and how they are going to send the YouTube police after me to send me to the shadow Realm

      • @Agrivar@lemmy.world
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        36 months ago

        Really? I still randomly upload videos of me gaming, sometimes with background music, but no titles or voice-overs and I never get any comments or emails. I must not be offending people correctly.

    • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      66 months ago

      Lol, I’ve got a friend that likes to tell me how his YouTube Red subscription pays for his favorite streamers’ bills.

      Like… Just give those people the money directly. Why pay Google the lions share? I guess some people just enjoy the taste of boot. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

      • Mario_Dies.wav
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        36 months ago

        I miss that time so much. I feel like Tik Tok wouldn’t have become so popular if YouTube hadn’t become the monetized abomination it is now.

    • @SCB@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things

      this is now TikTok. YouTube hasn’t been that platform for a long time, since at least Vine.

    • iAmTheTot
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      I’m not sure what those two paragraphs have to do with each other.

    • @KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca
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      -236 months ago

      Not really going to get into it with you, because you clearly have your mind made up, but you pretty much nailed why at the end.

      I have a vivid memory of YouTube being a platform where normal people could share videos of their kids and pets or other fun random low quality but entertaining things

      People spend a lot of time and money making videos these days. They aren’t just random low quality things. They have teams of sometimes hundreds, use cameras worth half a million dollars, and may take a week or month to record said video while paying those hundreds of employees.

      Again, not going to change your mind, Lemmy is very open about not giving a shit about others when it comes to money, but it’s not 2006 anymore, and people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.

      Personally I’m fine watching a few ads to support the content I clearly want to watch. Seems weird you’d be interested enough in what someone has to show you, but refuse to help them in any way, but whatever.

      Remember guys, don’t forget to hit the downvote button if you haven’t already. How dare I say anything positive that isn’t just “fuck ads, fuck YouTube, fuck everyone!”

        • @KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca
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          -146 months ago

          Don’t worry, you didn’t need it.

          Lemmy losers click downvote the millisecond anyone says something positive about anything non-FOSS, or a bigger corporation. You already clicked that button, just like you’ve already downvoted this one.

          • LinkOpensChest.wav
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            56 months ago

            Not me though. Lemmy.one disables downvotes, so your comments look upvoted to me.

            But yeah, fuck corporations, I’m onboard with that.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        156 months ago

        people need to make their money back AND pay their employees.

        that’s very much a “them” problem. if i don’t want to watch ads, you won’t guilt me into it.

      • LinkOpensChest.wav
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        106 months ago

        Tell me how to filter all that highly polished crap from my feed and searches, because I don’t want it. I hate all that shit being shoved at me. If I wanted to watch someone spouting bad takes with a highly polished commercial-friendly veneer, I’d watch cable. I hate all those monetized channels, and they can all go under for all I care, along with that entire hellsite. Then more people would support actually good non-monetized projects like peertube.

        Even if what I’m doing is stealing, it’s a good thing. Can’t wait for YouTube’s demise. It’s not a fun site to use anymore because all the good non-monetized content gets buried in favor of these soul-sucking assholes.

        I don’t even click people’s links anymore, because it’s always some rich bearded white male with the most painful content.

      • @CrowAirbrush@lemm.ee
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        86 months ago

        If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.

        I didn’t mind getting a handful of ads an hour, i do mind that i now get like 20 minutes to watch some youtube because adulting sucks and Youtube is like: swallow these 7 ads bitch, guess what bitch we forgot we showed you 7 have some more cunt and now my 20 minutes is fucked, so i say: time for Youtube to get bent.

        If what i hear is right, they are and have been operating in the red for a long time. Half of their creators are better business people than they are.

        • @KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca
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          -116 months ago

          If they use all that stuff to shoot the video, it means they already made it or they spent money they shouldn’t have.

          Pretty clear you’ve never owned a business. You have to invest money to start it.

      • Lev_Astov
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        16 months ago

        If you feel that way, you should really be paying for YouTube premium, since that actually gives more money to the creators you watch than ads would. That’s the one thing that sold me on it.

        • @LemmysMum@lemmy.world
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          I agree with your thought process but supporting YouTube by paying for it after they intentionally enshitified it to the point where you want to is the entire problem.

          Use an adblocker and donate directly to creators. If someone needs to steal my time to afford to run their business, then they can’t afford to run their business.

          • Lev_Astov
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            16 months ago

            Again, it’s about supporting the creators without the absurdly high cost of several dozen Patreon subs, not about avoiding the ads. If I could pay $15/mo to Patreon and have it distribute a portion of that to 60 different people based upon how much of their content I viewed that month, that’d certainly be the way to go.

            • @LemmysMum@lemmy.world
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              16 months ago

              You don’t have to support every creator. If they’re making money they’re fine, if their financial position is greater than yours, they don’t need your financial support.

  • @unmagical@lemmy.ml
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    1256 months ago

    Honestly it doesn’t seem to take very long at all. I watched live as the insurrectionists attempt to overturn democracy in the US during their failed auto-coup on January 6th less than 3 years ago.

    Though there was some “it’s not real” talk in the immediate aftermath the idea that it was a false flag, antifa, not an insurrection, not a big deal, just tourists having an afternoon scroll, etc. seems to be growing.

    I wonder why the “left wing radical Democrat antifa operatives engaging in a false flag attack to make Trump look bad” marched under banners with Trump’s name, admitted they were doing it for Trump, in some cases ran for office on the Republican ticket, and are actively being protected by Republican politicians.

    • @Rolder@reddthat.com
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      546 months ago

      Pretty astonishing when the whole thing was basically live streamed. I member watching it as it happened

      • @Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
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        386 months ago

        Watching terrorist Ashli Babbitt get shot from multiple angles, then seeing comments from Trumpers like:

        1. She’s a hero
        2. She’s a false flag
        3. She’s not actually dead
        4. She didn’t do anything wrong

        And this is barely two years. Going to bet a decade from now, the misinformation will be worse.

        • @Rolder@reddthat.com
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          56 months ago

          Fun to consider, if these were BLM protestors doing the exact same thing, they would be cheering the loudest.

          • @Zink@programming.dev
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            46 months ago

            I bet what would be even louder would be their criticism of Capitol Police for not doing their job. It was such an important proceeding in the very Capitol of God’s chosen country, so they had more than enough justification to gun down all the darkies.

      • @jeremyparker@programming.dev
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        46 months ago

        A recent Behind the Bastards on Alex Jones (part 1) has recordings of Info Wars from January 6 - before Jones had had a chance to call in and tell them to shut the fuck up before they got noticed as being complicit

        It’s funny (and scary) hearing them being like, “It’s all happening! The second American Revolution is underway! The Patriots have control of the Capitol!”

        Jones quickly learned that he needs his listeners to be “panic-adjacent” rather than actually in panic mode. Panicking people don’t buy brain pills.

    • The Picard ManeuverOP
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      316 months ago

      It was a near immediate campaign to convince people not to believe their lying eyes and ears. I think deep down, the spin doctors know that they’re lying though.

      • Hyperreality
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        Oh, is it time for that Sartre quote again?

        “Never believe that [they] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. [They] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”